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  • #31
    And no closer to an answer just some say speed and some say weight. LOL
    Thanks for all the reply's.
    Vietnam Vet USMC

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    • #32
      Some say Ford, some say Chevy. Both will get you there. (Most of the time.)
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      • #33
        I go with Chevy.
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        • #34
          Gimme a deuce and a half. I'm in no hurry.
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          • #35
            Well, right now my driveway and garage has cars/trucks from 4 different manufactures, two of which are Chevy and Ford. If one fails, another will pull it home just fine.
            Friends don't let friends shoot factory ammo.

            Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
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            • #36
              Plainsman got me thinking. If you get a 357 with powder of today and a premium bullet like an HST in 125 gr and compare with a 9mm with powder of today and HST bullet in 100-124 gr bullet how they would compare.
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              • #37
                I always carried for the occasion or environment and never thought a lot about MAX effective range or Knock down

                Inner city bad areas...1911 45...and always works Ball ammo
                Joy ride on Harley ....Pocket Walther PPK .32....only SD weapon I ever needed to point at some one
                BUG micro Ruger .380....Ha ....I have to pick lint out of this bugger every week... but the dang thing functions no matter how I abuse it
                Daily carry for conceal and comfort and I shoot very well...CZ 75 b 9mm again ammo that function 100% of the time....

                none of my SD weapons carry any ammo that is touted to be best ----killer...

                ONLY ammo fed is what I tried and 100% functions 100% of the time....my job is placement in duress conditions. light n fast ---heavy and slow...no matter tor me.... you place a bullet into the right area it will work for you.....sub sonic 22 is pretty deadly from what I know and see


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                • #38
                  DM— In this month's USCCA (US Concealed Carry Association) magazine there was an article comparing performance of different versions of the Ruger LCR. Using Sig V-Crown 124-gr ammo, the 9mm turned in 1102fps/334fpe. The 357 using 125-gr Sig ammo got 1163fps/375fpe. Pretty amazing results.
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                  • #39
                    For the 357 Rem Mag not the 357 Sig, Sig says their ammo at 1450 fps. For the 38 Super+P same weight they say 1230.
                    What I understand about the 125 gr JHP is that at +1200 fps, there is something that happens that makes it so effective. Why better than 158 gr.
                    What Fredvon4 says also makes sense.
                    "The United States Marine Corps is a drug and I am a recovering addict."

                    "American by birthright… U.S. MARINE by the Grace of GOD!"

                    "And on the 8th day God created Marines and like fish, we came from the sea!"

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                    • #40
                      There are some interesting replies to that original question.
                      Is there a way to figure what would hit harder and or do the most damage?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Nomes View Post
                        There are some interesting replies to that original question.
                        Is there a way to figure what would hit harder and or do the most damage?
                        Sure, We could use the John (Pondoro) Taylor Knock Out Formula http://www.reloadammo.com/tkofactor2.htm and then compare it to muzzle energy and downrange energy to foster some real butt kicking arguments. John Deere- Case IH time all over again.
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                        • #42
                          Weight of Bullet (grains) 158 Bullet Velocity (feet/sec) 1200
                          Bullet diameter (inches) .357 Taylor KO Factor 9.7
                          That's the first I have heard of that, very interesting.
                          Vietnam Vet USMC

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                          • #43
                            Looks like you need a REALLY big bullet to move that scale to a high number. Have you considered making/buying ballistics gel and doing some testing?
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                            • #44
                              Hell I don't even know what ballistics gel is and I don't have the equipment to do any testing. If it isn't in my book I'm lost.LOL
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                              • #45
                                You can find recipes for making it online. Testing is all about shooting - you shoot it and look at what your bullet did
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